7.62x39 CZ 527 Youth Carbine

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7.62x39 CZ 527 Youth Carbine

Postby Jeff H » 21 Apr 2019 08

Ten years ago, I finally decided to act upon a decades-old idea of simplifying my personal battery. Of all the great cartridges out there, I needed to pare it down to a small selection of versatile, effective, efficient and truly useful cartridges. Any one of us could slice and dice the list of available cartridges and come up with a hundred combinations, but I had my list after some brutally pragmatic consideration. I've been quite content with my selection and staying on point has not been difficult.

Well, it wasn't difficult until CZ decided to discontinued the 527 Youth Carbine and allow them to go on sale for ridiculous prices. The choices were 223 and 7.62x39. I have a 223. It's a jacketed-bullet gun and is about as exciting to me as a garden hoe - eminently useful, necessary in my opinion, but not a gun I really just can't wait to shoot when I finally have time. The 7.62x39 has its own merits, not the least of which is that is a 30 caliber with a moderate case capacity and quite useful with cast bullets as something more than a "plinker," in fact, like the 30-30, it can equal its jacketed ballistics using cast without a lot of fuss.

I love the 527s and am a fan of the 7.62x39. I've worried CZ would eventually replace the little Mauser clones like they did the 550, and replaced the rimfire 452s. I couldn't bear to be without one of their Carbines forever if they discontinued the 527 as well. They discontinued the YOUTH Carbine model (not all 527s) in 2018 and they are currently on sale for a little over $400. I got mine home for $450, and that included shipping and transfer. The little beauty fits me better than any rifle I've ever owned, which is a BAD thing. Now, I want to buy four more and start doing some rebores and rebarrels.

I knew I needed a light varmint/pest bullet, and Michael fixed me up a while back with a couple LEE C309-113s, one of which I de-gas-checked and which shoots really small groups out of my 30-30 with a pinch of Unique. The other, an RDO invention, Michael's 153 grain .313" RF, was going to be a tough find. I took a chance and posted here thinking someone may have grown out of theirs but it was a long shot. Lo and behold, Michael replies shortly after I posted and has just what I wanted!

Here is a bad photo of the new Carbine alongside my 527 American in 222, through which I shoot Michael's 50 grain .225" RF into just over half an inch at fifty yards - very easily. I think it will do better - I just have to work on the load a little, which is one reason I wasn't buying any more rifles - so I could spend more time with those I already had. Well, CZ shot that idea in the butt.
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Re: 7.62x39 CZ 527 Youth Carbine

Postby akuser47 » 21 Apr 2019 20

Nice I've been putting off getting a 7.62x39 bolt gun. Still unsure what I'll eventually get.
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Re: 7.62x39 CZ 527 Youth Carbine

Postby Ranch Dog » 22 Apr 2019 05

Jeff, very nice rifles! I've been a fan of the 7.62x39 as a "sporting" cartridge since hosting the Texas Youth Hunts. Every time I see a sale online, never seen a bolt gun for sale locally, I've got to hold myself back. Last back and forth was with the Howa. I sold my Zastava a couple of years ago and remain very content with the Savage Scout. It is a .308" groove rifle, and the extra bit of step to get there allows me to use the TLC310-165-RF I designed for the 300 Savage.
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Re: 7.62x39 CZ 527 Youth Carbine

Postby Jeff H » 22 Apr 2019 21

akuser47 wrote:Nice I've been putting off getting a 7.62x39 bolt gun. Still unsure what I'll eventually get.


About ten years ago, I had my mind made up to get a Zastava. Century Arms had them for what I just paid for the CZ, but Century didn't deliver, so the project changed directions, which is a long story in itself.

I've been using a couple 527s (223 and 222) and have come to think it's my all-time favorite action. As a long-time Mauser fan, these are pushing all the right buttons.

The 7.62x39 had worked its way down on my list of "homestead rifle" candidates in deference to other cartridges which made more sense for me, but when I saw the price on the Youth Carbine, I had to grab it. They have to be expensive to make, and I keep worrying the 527 will give way to a cheaper-to-make replacement. I have absolutely no evidence that this will happen, but I'm not taking a chance.
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Re: 7.62x39 CZ 527 Youth Carbine

Postby Jeff H » 22 Apr 2019 21

Ranch Dog wrote:Jeff, very nice rifles! I've been a fan of the 7.62x39 as a "sporting" cartridge since hosting the Texas Youth Hunts. Every time I see a sale online, never seen a bolt gun for sale locally, I've got to hold myself back. Last back and forth was with the Howa. I sold my Zastava a couple of years ago and remain very content with the Savage Scout. It is a .308" groove rifle, and the extra bit of step to get there allows me to use the TLC310-165-RF I designed for the 300 Savage.


If I can trust the .315" lead balls I pushed through my barrel, I'm reading .312" on mine. There's so little area "sized" on the little balls that I could be canting them a bit, so I'll cast some C309-113s (another mould I got from you) out of pure lead and do it again. Those come out .313".

If my groove ends up being closer to .311" or .310", I may get away with my own TLC310-165-RF, which casts around .311". I am not sure which version of that bullet I have, but it suits my 30-30 extremely well, and I used it in the 300 BLK too. I remember your Zastava and you experimenting with the mould I just got from you, so I'll have at least one heavier bullet which should pan out.

If the CZ were a .308" bore, I'd be all set. My dad, best friend and I share moulds an it provides a lot of options, but the only bullet any of us have is a couple C309-113s which a lot larger than .309".
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Re: 7.62x39 CZ 527 Youth Carbine

Postby GasGuzzler » 23 Apr 2019 04

I use C312-155-2R for 300BLK and 7.62X39. I size it to .310 for the 300BLK but use it un-sized for 7.62X39 because my rifle is a Serbian (Zastava) AK copy with typical loose chamber and barrel.
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Re: 7.62x39 CZ 527 Youth Carbine

Postby GasGuzzler » 05 Jul 2019 06

I cannot remember specifically but it seemed someone was looking for a CZ in 7.62X39...?

Well there's one for sale locally (to me) for $400 which seems pretty reasonable. Adam, was that you?
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