New Value Turret Indexing Problems

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New Value Turret Indexing Problems

Postby barracudadave67 » 26 Oct 2018 22

Hello All
Well I posted in the other thread, about my new Lee Value turret press. I have loaded .30-30 on it with no problems.
So today I was going to load a few more. It started getting out of sync every once in a while, about every 7-10 carts. I adjusted it the way Lee says probably 25 or more times. When its out of sync, and you don't notice it , It will destroy your shell case. I loaded 40 rds, and lost 3 shells.
I also loaded 40 rds of .45/70 and had the same problems loosing 4 shells.
It dosn't seem to work when you follow the destructions for the press. They say to use a 1/4in wrench on the center shaft, so it wont turn, and turn the turret to line it up. This is with the ram down. Its not allways the same station, it happens randomly. I even put indexing marks on all the stations so I watch it better. Dosn't matter if you pull the handle with real vigor, or half %@*&$. It just happens ramdomly.
Anyone have any Ideas.
I think I will give Lee CS a call, maybe they no atrick that I don't.

Dave
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Re: New Value Turret Indexing Problems

Postby Ranch Dog » 27 Oct 2018 05

I never had any problems adjusting mine when I had one, I now have the Classic Turret which makes the adjustment a bit easier. Once adjusted, I did not often have the need to readjust them. Are you lubing the turret? I just looked at the Value Turret instructions and they don't mention lubing the turret, just the press. The red base instruction do mention lubing and with the older turret instructions Lee recommends 30W motor oil, I use petroleum jelly. Doesn't matter what you use, but aluminum on aluminum will gall if something isn't used and I can see how that would cause the problems you are experiencing.

Also, make sure the three turret ring bolts are secure.

I take it you are posting with a phone? :) ;) Love the "It dosn't seem to work when you follow the destructions for the press."
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Re: New Value Turret Indexing Problems

Postby horseman » 27 Oct 2018 20

Hesitant to say this as I have no experience with this press other than pictures and what I've read. Is it POSSIBLE that you're asking it to do more than what it was designed for. I would like to hear what Lee has to say so please let us know.
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Re: New Value Turret Indexing Problems

Postby Ranch Dog » 30 Oct 2018 06

So Dave, did you call Lee or resolve the issue?

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Re: New Value Turret Indexing Problems

Postby Ranch Dog » 02 Nov 2018 04

Dave, don't know if you receive Titan Reloading's monthly newsletter or not, but the topic was Turret Indexing. It might be stuff you have already tried, but it does seem to cover everthing.

Turret Press Indexing Explained
The square ratchet is both free to rotate inside the clamp and held fast by the clamp, depending on which direction the ram is moving. If you are lowering the press lever (raising the ram) you don't want the turret to rotate, so the square ratchet must be free to rotate inside the clamp. The friction between the square ratchet and the index rod causes the square ratchet to slide down to the bottom of the cavity inside the clamp, where it is free to rotate when it passes over the twist in the index rod. On the upswing of the press lever (as the ram goes down) the drag between the square ratchet and index rod causes the square ratchet to slide up to the top of the cavity inside the clamp, where the square ratchet fits into matching notches in the clamp which prevent the square ratchet from turning, so as it passes the twist in the index rod it turns the turret.

Included with the Deluxe and Classic Turret Presses is a spare black nylon ratchet. This installs inside the black auto index clamp on the steel ram. The square black ratchet rides on the 1/4"x 1/4" steel index rod. When removing the aluminum turret, be sure to raise the ram to disengage the square ratchet from the twisted part of the rod.

The nylon square ratchet that comes with the turret press is designed to properly index the press for 10s of thousands of rounds; however, an extra does comes with the press. This inexpensive part is made of nylon for two reasons with the first being that if the index rod is operated against the proper rotation, the nylon will fail before any damage occurs to any other part. The second is that they are inexpensive to produce and purchase.

The ratchet enables the indexing without "tweaking" or adjustment. The index rod may be removed and replaced at will without affecting the timing of the press. In the unlikely event that your press was received and not indexing correctly, the ratchet is not the reason and the issue is easily resolved by turret press index alignment.

The only reason the ratchet would be damaged is from forcing the index rod against that ratchet. This generally occurs when turrets are removed with the ram at the bottom of the stroke as the ratchet is engaged during the down stroke. When removing turrets, it is necessary to raise the ram about an inch or so.

A problem can ultimately affect indexing if the ratchet is excessively forced against the index rod, because the top portion of the ram, designed to rotate for another reason, would do so under these circumstances. Then, even with the ratchet replaced, the entire housing is off center. The proper alignment of the housing is completed by using the lever portion of the priming arm and aligning it with the two bumps on the base of the press

The nylon housing that holds the ratchet never needs to be opened other than to eventually replace the nylon ratchet. Remove the index rod, then the housing by removing the horizontal screw. Replace the ratchet remembering to place the flange in the downward position and reattach the nylon housing. This housing does nothing more than contain the ratchet. Do not over tighten the screw because the threads can be stripped.
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