NOE Expander Plug Setup

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NOE Expander Plug Setup

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The steps to properly adjust the NOE Expander Plug (the solid top plug) in either the Lee Universal Case Expanding Dier or the Powder through Expander Die capped with a Lee Adjusting Screw are:
  • Set the Expander Plug in the mouth of a sized Case. Mark the plug against the case mouth.
  • Determine the sizing needed on the plug with a caliper. NOE recommends .001" over bullet size. Mark the plug at that point.
  • With the caliper, measure the distance between the two marks on the plug, write it down for the calculation.
  • Place the Expander Plug in the Lee Universal Expanding Die and screw the Adjusting Screw in until the threads just disappear into the top of the die.
  • Place the sized case in the press and raise the ram.
  • Place the die on the press and screw it until you feel the case make contact with the plug.
  • Lower the ram.
  • Complete the calculation to determine how to adjust the die:
    • Divide the distance the plug needs to sink in the case to achieve the desired depth by .071. Example: If the distance is .40", the calculation is .40/.071= 5.633.
    • Using the units from the sum (5), mark a reference point on the the die body and then turn the die down into the press 5 revolutions.
  • Before the finer adjustment, mark the top of you adjusting screw with five "star' points.
  • There is a bit more math involved but just take it in steps. The calculation is:
    • ((distance required to seat plug-(number of die body turns used*.071))/.011). The steps to solve the .040" used in the previous example are:
      • 5*.071=.3571.
      • .040-.3571=.0428
      • .0428/.011=3.8571.
    • Using the units from your sum, turn the Adjusting Screw in 3 "star" points
  • Slowly raise the ram while verifying the case neck sizing by feel. The case should not meet heavy resistance while it is raised into the die.
  • Proper seating will take place at or after the calculated "star" point on your adjusting screw and prior to the next star point.
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Here are the steps detailed in images.

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The idea behind an expander plug is to eliminate the case runout caused by shoving the oversized cast bullet into a sized case. Flaring a case does not ensure that the bullet will seat square in the case. Typically, they don't and a non-concentric bulge can be seen. Here is the runout being measured from that sample case expanded with the NOE Expanding Plug. No measurable runout!

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I've created a spreadsheet that does the calculations for me. I use Apache OpenOffice CalC, I'm not sure if opening the attached file in MS excel will properly format the calculations so I've included a screenshot with those calculations noted.

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Setting up the NOE Powder Through Expander Plug with a any of the Lee powder measures is basically the same but with the additional consideration of the dispenser actuation. I will detail the setup of such in another topic.
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Re: NOE Expander Plug Setup

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Couple of questions:

Which of the dies go you think work better or easier.

For the big BP cartridges I've been using similar plugs from Track of the Wolf in the PTE die with just the "funnel" do you think the adjusting screw is a better choice?

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Re: NOE Expander Plug Setup

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Ohio3Wheels wrote:Couple of questions:

Which of the dies go you think work better or easier.

For the big BP cartridges I've been using similar plugs from Track of the Wolf in the PTE die with just the "funnel" do you think the adjusting screw is a better choice?
I haven't used the Track of the Wolf plugs but they do look similar to the NOE. Do the Wolf plugs have a range of fit or are they just the sizes listed?
As far as using a Powder through Expander (hollow core that allows powder to pass through for those not familiar with the term) or just and Expander Plug; I use the PTE if the die set has a Powder Through Expander Die and NOE has a PTE plug at the diameter that fits my needs. If that qualifier is not met, I use the solid Expander Plug in the PTE Die and charge on the Long or Short Rifle Charging Die. In the 45-70 Govt example offered, NOE did not have the PTE plug for the .458", so I used the solid Expander Plug he does offer in the Powder Through Charging Die. NOE has gotten behind on the plug inventory, both types, and I know that he is working to correct that.

Hope this explains the question.
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I have been looking at these but I'm confused as to what to order. .xxx x .xxx First or second.xxx it's to be.001 over bullet size?
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jdl447 wrote:I have been looking at these but I'm confused as to what to order. .xxx x .xxx First or second.xxx it's to be.001 over bullet size?
If you are talking about the NOE Expander Plugs, they should be able to acheive a diameter that is .001" over the size of the bullet you are using. The NOE plugs cover a given range of diameters because they have a slight taper.

Looking at the Track of the Wolfe Powder Through Expander Plugs, you order for the size bullet you are shooting. They are single sized.
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I was referring to NOE plugs. Didn't realize that they had a taper.
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Re: NOE Expander Plug Setup

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The TOW plugs I have are solid and one diameter. I use a .410 for the 40-65 cases as I load bullets sized about .4095 if so adjusted the plug will also lightly flare the case to keep lead shaving down. I have several different plugs for the 45-70 due to various bullet sizes. Actually I think I have all of TOW;s standard plug for the 45-70 load development for the Wzard was and is still a pain :)

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